Two points:

- What's their business model? Are we now going to be the product?
- History has shown that doing mail correctly has been too hard for many... is there any indication that these people have clue?
  Or are they just focusing on "pretty" and lockin?

Consider me skeptical,
Ole

> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:45, Ed Warnicke <hagbard@...> wrote:
>
> A new option has become available for handling mailing lists: groups.io
>
> As a community, we need to look at this option, provide feedback, and come to a decision as to whether or not to migrate.  A critical part of that is having folks take a look, ask questions, and express opinions :)
>
> We have a sandbox example at  https://groups.io/g/lfn  you can look at
>
> And an example with active list and imported archive: https://lists.odpi.org/g/odpi-sig-bi
>
> Major benefits include searchability, better web interface, etc.
>
> The LF was kind enough to write a FAQ for us as we consider as a community whether to migrate or not:
>
> FAQs
> Q: What are the key differences between Mailman and Groups.io?
> ●Groups.io has a modern interface, robust user security model, and interactive, searchable archives
> ●Groups.io provides advanced features including muting threads and integrations with modern tools like GitHub, Slack, and Trello
> ●     Groups.io also has optional extras like a shared calendar, polling, chat, a wiki, and more
> ●     Groups.io uses a concept of subgroups, where members first join the project “group” (a master list), then they choose the specific “subgroup” lists they want to subscribe to
>
> Q: How is the experience different for me as a list moderator or participant?
> In many ways, it is very much the same. You will still find the main group at your existing URL and sub-groups equate to the more focused mailing lists based on the community’s needs. Here is an example of main group and sub-group URL patterns, and their respective emails:
>
> https://lists.fd.io/g/tsc
> https://lists.fd.io/g/discuss
> https:/lists.fd.io/g/vpp-dev
> tsc@...
> discuss@...
> vpp-dev@...
>
> What is different is Groups.io’s simple but highly functional UI that will make the experience of moderating or participating in the community discussions more enjoyable.
>
>

> _______________________________________________
> vpp-dev mailing list
> vpp-dev@...
> https://lists.fd.io/mailman/listinfo/vpp-dev

_______________________________________________
vpp-dev mailing list
vpp-dev@...
https://lists.fd.io/mailman/listinfo/vpp-dev

Search is somewhat painful with mailman. Otherwise I like it. Having said that, I have just learned about zgrep, and that simplifies the process, along with the fact that vim works on gzipped files.

Burt

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Ole Troan <otroan@...> wrote:

Two points:

- What's their business model? Are we now going to be the product?
- History has shown that doing mail correctly has been too hard for many... is there any indication that these people have clue?
  Or are they just focusing on "pretty" and lockin?

Consider me skeptical,
Ole

> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:45, Ed Warnicke <hagbard@...> wrote:
>
> A new option has become available for handling mailing lists: groups.io
>
> As a community, we need to look at this option, provide feedback, and come to a decision as to whether or not to migrate.  A critical part of that is having folks take a look, ask questions, and express opinions :)
>
> We have a sandbox example at  https://groups.io/g/lfn  you can look at
>
> And an example with active list and imported archive: https://lists.odpi.org/g/odpi-sig-bi
>
> Major benefits include searchability, better web interface, etc.
>
> The LF was kind enough to write a FAQ for us as we consider as a community whether to migrate or not:
>
> FAQs
> Q: What are the key differences between Mailman and Groups.io?
> ●Groups.io has a modern interface, robust user security model, and interactive, searchable archives
> ●Groups.io provides advanced features including muting threads and integrations with modern tools like GitHub, Slack, and Trello
> ●     Groups.io also has optional extras like a shared calendar, polling, chat, a wiki, and more
> ●     Groups.io uses a concept of subgroups, where members first join the project “group” (a master list), then they choose the specific “subgroup” lists they want to subscribe to
>
> Q: How is the experience different for me as a list moderator or participant?
> In many ways, it is very much the same. You will still find the main group at your existing URL and sub-groups equate to the more focused mailing lists based on the community’s needs. Here is an example of main group and sub-group URL patterns, and their respective emails:
>
> https://lists.fd.io/g/tsc
> https://lists.fd.io/g/discuss
> https:/lists.fd.io/g/vpp-dev
> tsc@...
> discuss@...
> vpp-dev@...
>
> What is different is Groups.io’s simple but highly functional UI that will make the experience of moderating or participating in the community discussions more enjoyable.
>
>

> _______________________________________________
> vpp-dev mailing list
> vpp-dev@...
> https://lists.fd.io/mailman/listinfo/vpp-dev

_______________________________________________
vpp-dev mailing list
vpp-dev@...
https://lists.fd.io/mailman/listinfo/vpp-dev